I jou with these cymbals for a year and a half. Cymbals sound, for beginners it is already very good. They do not buckle to the first wand and have a good appearance trs. Its level, bah it's low-end ... At that price you can not just ask ... Spits it is not too bad, powerful enough, the ride is too brilliant appearance my taste, one could even use it to crach / ride I think, for it is not against the terrible charley although again trs solid! In short this is good cymbal for beginners to RPTES and a little more, they are powerful and beautiful (^ ^) but they are desperately short of finesse my taste. I find the report quality excellent price, I think they have nothing to envy in the marks at Sabian, Zildjian & Co. ...