J uses the "cymbals" for 2 years .... The price prstige but especially the brand caught my eye but I trs soon regret the cymbals did no power, sound very difficult out there and be hit like a mule in order to avoid the sound "bowl" (for a thundering "thin" ...) and the sustain and ....( more pathetic for a thundering 16 inches), I have replaced by a paiste 502, 14 inches, which sounds 10 times better for half the price! The ratio quality / price n is not even good cymbals ..... frankly this n 'is really nothing to it ....