This cymbal has a really powerful sound crazy! For some months I played in a hardcore band and during our first concert she fl. I really crack the ball in the middle of the cymbal not even on the extremities, so I think there should be a default manufacturing! At the same time I'm a big bang (belonging to the family of loggers ^ ^). I pay 200euros Brand new this cymbal right outside the box so the report qualitprix is not bad. For the sound I put a 9 / 10 parcontre solid level that I would put 3 / 10 as a cymbal made known to the Cogners that breaks after one year is not great.
I do not think I will ever be a choice, I rather take a paiste rude!