I used this time charley few rehearsals, just out of curiosity. This is a great pair of cymbals. At report / quality / price, it is not much better. Know-how "Paiste" is present! I particularly enjoyed the diversity of use. By hitting it with the olive of the stick, you get a brilliant and "clean" very nice, if you have a little fun at the attack on the edge of the cymbal, you can easily reach a large and well " dirty "in the English very well. Know what you want, really. It sure will not be equivalent to or even Zildjian Paiste 600 or € 700, but at that price, it's a charley really amazing. Accessible high-end ...