All user reviews of 5/5 for the Gibson ES-165 Herb Ellis Signature

I bought this guitar secondhand from a German collector for 1700 euros.
It was crafted in the Memphis factory in 1994.
I previously tested a 175 '59 Re,wich was a real sh.... For 3500 euros you would expect better, but Gibson isn't any longer what it used to be. That's why I went looking for a secondhand one.
Even then, the finish wasn't the best, but it was clearly better than on current models.
I got it with a Benedetto B6 pickup, but I replaced it with a 57 Classic, which I prefer to the original 490R. The latter is too twangy for my taste.
I wanted a smoother sound.
The bridge is made of rosewood.
This model has both controls integrated on the top. I prefer that to having one single knob on the pickguard.

USE

The neck is perfect for me, neither too slim nor too thick. It's easy to get familiar with it and you can lower the action without it sounding bad.
I play with D'Addario Chrome strings, flatwound, 12- 52.

SOUND

It's a guitar made for jazz, so don't try to do anything else with it.
I love warm sounds. So I set the tone control to 2 or 3.
The clean sounds are very nice, without a doubt, but that's not what I was looking for.
I use it mainly with a 1984 Roland Cube 60 MIJ and a 1983 Roland Bolt 60.
I used it some time with an all-tube Fender Blues Deluxe, but I love the neutral sound of the Roland Cube 60, which, incidentally, is lighter and easier to transport.
But, once again, it's always a matter of taste.

OVERALL OPINION

I've played it every day for a couple of hours since October 2012 and I think I waited too long to get it.
It's certainly worth its price (especially secondhand) and I wouldn't change it for a 175 because I think one of the pickups is useless and only puts more weight on the top.
The perfect guitar does not exist, but I think this guitar is a must-have for jazz.
At least in my opinion!

Excellent quality guitar made in the US. The finish is remarkable, although Gibson could still do better, like brands with guitars at the same price point already do (Gretsch 6120...).
The Herb Ellis is a guitar made for jazz, but not only.
It has no pickup selector because it only has one pickup. But that's more than enough, it gives more amplitude to the soundboard and makes the design more refined.

USE

Very pleasant neck and, like most guitars with a cutaway, access to the upper frets is easy.
The sound is remarkable, the thickness of the body gives it a remarkable sound amplitude, which is typical of quality guitars.

The balance between bass and treble is perfect. It's silky and smooth.
You can do whatever you want with it.
The classic 57 is, as usual, good at what it does.

SOUND

This guitar, like a good wine, was not made to play anything. Avoid effect pedals, distortions and the like.
You need to let it express it's natural sound, which is exquisite.
Plug the Herb Ellis into a tube amp, a Mesa for instance. A basic Fender will also do the trick.

OVERALL OPINION

I haven't used this beauty too long, mine is from 2003.
I believe the wood ply structure was changed after 2006: Instead of a spruce ply it now has a birch one (between two plies of maple for the soundboard). That may affect the quality and sustain in the long run...Spruce remains the best wood for sound transmission.
I have a guitar collection and this one is among my favorites. Finesse, shape, lacquer, sound, it doesn't lack anything.
It definitely has the jazz club spirit, but it has the Gibson price tag.

I think these guitars ought to be considered a different instrument. It's the kind of guitar you dream about and only after saving money for some time you can buy one. This type of guitar shouldn't belong to the consumption system we all know and hate. When buying it secondhand, get one in excellent condition!
It's often expensive, like all collection items. The price depends on the shape it's in.
Don't trust sellers who say their guitars are worth more due to the scratches they have accumulated throughout the years. 30-year old Gibsons can be in a great condition.

The decision to buy such an instrument shouldn't be taken lightly.

There's not much to add about the features. I would simply emphasize the exceptionally huge sound due to the top being almost completely free. Finish is not Gibson's main strength, but having seen other similar models (the ES-175 reissue), I think it's well-achieved.

USE

I got my ES-65 yesterday morning. So this review captures only my first impressions after one night of playing. The neck is comfortable, but I'll wait until I have finished setting it right to tell you more about it.
The position of the volume control is very unfortunate, it would've been better below the pickguard.

SOUND

I already have a semi-hollow Ibanez sg-100 I bought in 1982. It has a very jazzy sound, very warm, very "Wes".
The ES-165 "twangs" more, it's more of a folk sound when it's not amplified and without the (awful) original Gibson strings.
I quickly replaced the strings with a set of 13-56 flatwound strings and it makes a huge difference! It still sounds clearly jazzy, but not too smooth, it's clear and has attack and sustain. The balance between bass and treble is amazing.
I use it with a KMD 100w tube amp and, for the time being, I don't miss the tone control. No feedback issues either.
I want to use it onstage to complete my review, but I'm sure I'll enjoy playing with it

OVERALL OPINION

Given the price of the ES-175 (both new and secondhand), the ES-165 is an excellent value for money.