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What is the difference between contemporary music and free jazz ?

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Topic What is the difference between contemporary music and free jazz ?
So what ? :bravo:
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It reminds me of this :
"Once, it's a mistake. Twice, it's Jazz."
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Hum...

It's totally different : contemporary music is playing noise with musical instruments. Free jazz, is playing noise with musical instruments... But it's jazz :noidea:

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Intellectual topics by Kloug... I love them ! :bravo:
The story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye/The story of Love is just hello and goodbye/Until we meet again (Jimi Hendrix)
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Improvisation!
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Not always. :non: Epitaph (by Mingus) was a jazz song wrote for orchestra.
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=S86WzxIbolw
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The style :8)

The name :8)

etc... :8)



There's a lot of things you'll never make in jazz, and its free from any other styles, so you can call it contemporary music. :noidea:
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If it's ugly and boring, it's contemporary music.
If it's just boring, it's jazz
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Quote: If it's ugly and boring, it's contemporary music.



I don't agree : this is contemporary music, and it's totally :aime: ... But maybe it's the exception that confirms the rules :noidea:
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If it doesn't have improvisation then it isn't jazz in my book. it's just contemporary classicial music, or comtemporary whatever. jazz needs improvisation.
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And boringness
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Boring because you've mastered it or because you don't understand it? or maybe it just doesn't speak to you... but boring is a subjective notion in all cases.
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I know, I just like trolling :bravo:

But being serious 2 minutes, I really have a problem with jazz. I know I should like it but it just bores me to death (except fot new orlean and manouche swing, and a few exceptions). I don't know why, maybe it relies to much on technic and not enough on emotion in my opinion
But I totally understand and respect jazz addicts, it's just not for me
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I can understand that. try listening to the "kind of blue" album by miles davis. it's more of a mood album and less of a technical album, even though there's still a lot of chops in there. but if you still don't like it after chilling out and listening to it a few times, then jazz really isn't for you. http://img.af-v4.com/images/audiofanzine/interface/smileys/icon_cry.gif(" />(" />
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Yeah, I listened a lot of Miles Davis because he is one of the exceptions I was talking about :bravo:
But still, when I want to listen music I rarelly pick a Miles Davis CD. Maybe I'm allergic.
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Quote: new orlean and manouche swing


How boring !

:mdr:

There are so many types of jazz that it's impossible (I think) to like everyone.

But :

Quote: I should like it


Why should you ?

By the way : new orleans and manouche are amongst the most technical ones (let's add Be Bop) so your remark is a bit ironic.

I don't know well the kind of music you use to listen to (as mentioned in your french profile), but I see Radiohead -> try John Zorn ?
Amon tobin -> try "Time 4 change" or "Organics" by Laurent de Wilde, or "Gambit" by Julien Lourau

Or anything from Medeski Martin & Wood...

Hope you''l like some of them ! :bravo:
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Yeah, I know manouche and new orlean are very technical, but it seems to me that it is more "living", there's something I feel in that I don't feel in bebop for example.

I know John Zorn and Julien Loureau, and I really like them, but as I said, when I want to listen something, I very rarelly listen to them.

And when I say I should like Jazz, it's more that I'd like to like jazz. When I see the amount of stuff I could discover and love, it just seems endless, but it just doesn't speak to me...
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Quote: When I see the amount of stuff I could discover and love, it just seems endless


That's right !

Quote: I know manouche and new orlean are very technical, but it seems to me that it is more "living", there's something I feel in that I don't feel in bebop for example.


It makes me think of a friend who desperatly try to make me love be-bop ! :mdr:

For these styles (manouche, New-Orleans, Bebop...), I'm like you : I rarely chose them for listening.

I think that the trick is to find something that you really like (= decide to listen to frequently) ; and then discover other disks whose style is similar. So the goal (and th difficulty !) is to find the golden vein !

You should try things close to what you already like. Some other suggestions :

Amon Tobin -> General Electrics, US3 (hand on the torch, well not really jazz, but a bunch of samples from Blue Note), Herbie Hancock (Future2future, head hunters...)

Bebop rock : Happy Apple
Strange and funny bebop : Les Double six

Very different, real jazz, subtle : "Colonel Skopj" from Henry Texier, or "Remparts d'argile" which is beautiful.
Destructured, rock, free, strange : "En attendant Marcel" or "Dentiste" from Laurent Dehors

Close to New Orleans : "Joe Cool's blues" from Wynton Marsalis & family
Almost funk : "In Crowd Anthology" by Ramsey lewis, "Live in Europe" by Bill Evans

Close to world Music : Hadouk Trio, "Blue Camel" from Rabuh Abou Khalil
Beautiful voice, lot of emotion, somewhat New orleans "Live in New Morning" from Dianne Reeves

Hope this helps ! :bravo:

Listen to some samples on Amzaon, and select the one which strikes you...
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Thanks :bravo:
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You're welcome !

Ha, and have a listening to Thelonious Monk ( "brilliant corners" for instance). Lots of people "shouldn't like him" (for instance they like only english punk / noisy pop), but happen to love it. Hard to explain, except tht he brought new possibilities in harmony, like Ravel or Bartok.

:boire:
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Yeah, I love Monk

Quote: Hard to explain, except tht he brought new possibilities in harmony, like Ravel or Bartok.


When I listen to him, I feel like he didn't have any choice but to play exactly that music. No calculation, nothing artificial, only him playing what he knows he has to play. May sound silly but that's what I most like about his music, there's a real person behind it...And that's a thing I don't feel about bebop for example
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There is a word that can make the link between the french version of AF and this thread :

cliché


That's just what I can see here...
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If it's a post from kloug, it's a call for cliché

AF rule n°127
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If I take Reich's link a few posts before, I can hear typical Reich : contemporan architecture with very classical harmony, right ?

Reich is easy listening to me, like Django is in what we strangely call "jazz" (obvious because of improvisation in it, but far from the other main styles).
Because 90% gipsy guitar is common harmonies and cadences (word in english ?), it could be sold next to pop music in our fnacs. See Sanseverino...

Contemporan music may be very close to classical composition to me, even though there's no melodic instrument in the piece of music. But jazz consantly try to break the rules, no ? (contemporan guys do the same, dammit)
But rules (and limits) are something we have if we close our mind to other uncommon rules. Like Kermit, I have trouble with some kinds of music, but that's not especially jazz, I'd rather say music that never follow a common rule we can find in mainstream music.
When I have trouble with that kind of music (Miles Davis is an example), I try to listen it as an experience, not like a commonly built piece of music. If I try, I won't get the point and appreciate the shit.
It's the same with contemporan, if I don't understand it, I try to listen it as if it wasn't music, but a listenable phenomen... Sorry I'm OT ! :oops:

And actually I find common points instead of differences... Muhaha. But I wasn't the first to talk about boring shit, that IS off-topic. :mdr:
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